Ingabire's case has received little international press, despite its significance to the entire Great Lakes Region of Africa, most of all the Democratic Republic of Congo, a country that many now fear may be on the brink of civil war. With us to talk about this today is Victoire Ingabire's daughter, Raissa Ujeneza, who is now studying international and European law at the Hague University in the Netherlands.
Welcome, Raissa. This is the second time I've spoken to you about your mother's imprisonment in Rwanda during the Christmas holiday season and I very much hope it will be the last.
: Hi, Ann, Ann Garrison. Yes, I hope so too, that this is the last time we speak about the case and my mom being in the prison.
AR: Could you explain to the WBAI listening audience why your mother has been in prison for over a year now in Kigali?
Raissa: Yes, my mother has been over a year in maximum prison in Kigali. First she had to await her trial, which started in June this year, and she has been accused of genocide ideology, collaboration with a terrorist group, divisionism, spreading rumors and inciting the population to rise against the regime, and creating a rebel army to overthrow the government by force. These are all just politically motivated accusations. All oppositions that have tried to go against the government in Rwanda have all been prosecuted or have been murdered and this case is not any different from all the others.
Victoire Ingabire Umuhoza, leader of Rwanda’s FDU-Inkingi coalition of opposition political parties, stands with her family prior to leaving Brussels for her return to Rwanda; from left, her husband, Lin Muyizere, their daughter, Raissa Ujeneza, Victoire, their younger son, Rist Shimwa, and their older son, Remy Ndizeye Niyigena.
AR: And could you explain why this is significant not only in Rwanda but in the rest of the Great Lakes Region of Africa, particularly the Democratic Republic of Congo?
Raissa: Yes, Rwanda has played a huge role, actually, in the conflicts going on in the Great Lakes area, and this has to do with the politics of course. As long as there is no democracy in Rwanda, this will influence the issues going on in that Great Lakes area, for those countries also collaborate together, and also in Congo, as we have seen, democracy is far to be found.
AR: Do many people there in the Netherlands seem to perceive the connection between your mother's trial and the ongoing catastrophe in the Democratic Republic of Congo, which has seen at least six million war dead in the past 18 years?
Raissa: Well, most of the people don't link it together, but the ones that do link it together, those who are familiar with the Great Lakes area, know that the conflicts of Rwanda and Congo are connected. Since the 90s, Rwanda has been in an unstable situation. This has influenced, of course, what has been going on in the Congo. A lot of conflicts and wars have been going on also in the area of the Congo. The population there is not content with the government and this is understandable, seeing how they oppress the peoples of the Congo, and the peoples of Rwanda, in the areas between those two countries.
Christmas card made by and for Victoire Ingabire's supporters.
AR: What is the latest news of your mother's trial?
Raissa: The latest news. Well, she's still awaiting her trial, which actually is being postponed for several reasons all the time. The latest news that I know is that she is being taken care of, but, in which circumstances again. . . knowing that she is innocent, knowing that she should be getting her freedom back, they are still giving her not that right . . . which she really deserves.
AR: Are you and your father and two brothers allowed to speak with her on the phone?
Raissa: No, we are not allowed to speak to her on the phone. We haven't spoken to her ever since she was arrested in October last year.
AR: Are you allowed to write to her? If we here at AfrobeatRadio, or anyone else listening, wanted to write to her, would that be possible?
Raissa: People who want to write her can do so, but all letters have to go through the security there, of course. And this, for us, her family, limits us to have any privacy in contacting her, and herself, she hasn't been able to write us back. But those who want to write her can write her and I would actually encourage them to do so, for, knowing that she has support outside, will also strengthen her to continue this struggle for peace and democracy in Rwanda.
AR: And how is your family holding up this Christmas? This is the second Christmas since your mother has been in prison.
Raissa: It is . . . it's very difficult. Of course we would want to see her here. Her lawyers have requested her to come to the Netherlands for bail and to visit her family, but this has been denied. And we just have to deal with it. We have no option in that. So we just pray that she is holding herself strong, being there. At least we have each other here, but she's alone there. So we just have to pray and have faith.
AR: And what about your young brother, Riszt Shimwa? I'm not sure I'm pronouncing his name properly but I believe he's ten years old. How is he holding up, and does he realize that his mother is an icon of freedom and democracy to people all over the world?
Raissa: Yes, Riszt is nine years old right now. He is quite brave. I would say he has that from my mother. He knows her situation and he understands that she is in prison, and he understands also, that in his perspective, she's a hero for the Rwandan people, for she is trying to free them from the conditions that they're in, which are not good. But to the seriousness of the case, I don't think he really understands that, of course, in his age.
AR: Is there anything anyone can do to help advance the cause of securing your mother's freedom now?
Raissa: Yes, the international community can put pressure on the regime of Paul Kagame. He should be allowing oppositions and giving them a chance to compete with him. Freedom of speech is on a low level and actually, no level, basically, in Rwanda, and this must change. And the international community can put pressure on the government there, in Rwanda, to change this. As we have seen in Burma,with Aung San Suu Chi. Her case actually is quite similar with my mother's case and we have also seen that the pressure from outside managed to have influence within the country and for the better. I really do believe that this can also be the case in Rwanda.
Ann: Thank you Raissa. Merry Christmas. And I know that many of our listeners want to join in hoping that this is the last Christmas you'll have to spend without your mother.
Raissa: Thank you and all of them who are listening and supporting.